Today's "apology" news, re floor/foundation . Page 1 / 2

junie2, Aug 20, 10:40am
repairs. We've been away so aren't up with the play on this one yet. Apparently 3000-5000 repairs will be investigated and remedied . Do the owners of those places know yet? Has there been information sent out?Tx


david_270, Aug 20, 8:34pm

gillian25, Aug 20, 8:56pm
I hope the finger is well and tuely pointed at Reid Stivens 19yo son and Gail kettles daughter and all the family members who so called scoped these houses, with little or No experience and have caused all this bs for Cantabrians. Start at the beginning and dont be blaming good builders for following YOUR SCOPES. Take some bloody responsibility for the decisions forced upon builders and their subbies.

supersapper, Aug 20, 9:13pm
After what happened with "the engineer" I doubt that much will change at all - too much money involved.

mm12345, Aug 20, 9:13pm
So far, the response seems like 1/2 witch-hunt, half snow-job.

There seems to be a minor concession from Brownlee - that where the builder has "disappeared", then EQR will cover cost of repairing the repairs.

So, they've caught two unlicensed "builders" doing restricted work and are making a big song and dance about it. It takes less than a minute to verify LBP status of a builder on the business.govt.nz website. Any idiot can check this, but EQR seemed to be run by a special class of idiots - incapable of even doing this basic step. Or worse - perhaps they knew exactly what they were doing.

So EQR had unqualified people doing restricted work. EQR were calling the shots, and despite "ignorance being no excuse for the law", it would be pretty easy for a handyman/painter etc to be convinced by one of EQR's PMs to do restricted work which "cropped up" during cosmetic repairs - and have no idea themselves that they shouldn't be touching that work. No - that doesn't absolve the worker from blame, but EQC were calling the shots and it's "not their problem". Tui.

If indeed a couple of "builders" claimed to be LBPs when they weren't, then they should be prosecuted. I doubt we're hearing the true story.

It's not necessarily easy to determine if a job is consent exempt or not at the best of times. When repair guidelines kept being revised, and council also revised consent exemption rules, then it got a whole lot harder.

Over the years people have posted photos in this forum of foundation repairs where it looked like bits of old beer crate had been used for packing piles, broken bearers braced with offcuts and a couple of nails - stuff so bad that it was hardly believable. It's not just foundations. Plenty of other restricted work (reclads etc) have been done without consent.

"The survey had excluded homeowners who were still in dispute with EQC".

This seems to be true to form for EQC/EQR. Simpson has pulled this trick before, excluding those who'd lodged complaints about EQC from surveys, then stating that something like 90% of claimants were generally happy, but not tallying the 40% who'd lodged formal complaints which dropped that figure back to about 50% generally satisfied.
Gerry Brownlee response was to evade and apply spin. His new trick seems to be to deflect and blame someone else.

gillian25, Aug 20, 9:20pm
Its a Smoke Screen. Dont worry about the 2 Builders. Not the issue. The SOW has always been in question. The family members at $75.oo an hour and no experience has caused this debacle . Backed up by money misers at the top, trying to save a buck. and pat themselves on the back. Brownlee should GO well and truely. Focus on the issues everyone or else another disaster will develop right under your noses.

gman35, Aug 20, 10:10pm
One builder on radio this morn said he was told to do a botch job, and so made sure he signed off with "I disagree with method of repair and take no responsibility".
I don't imagine he was the only one, So did many homeowners get works that were actually just "signed off" back at the EQR office ?
I assume that in cases like this there will be prosecutions made (Not).
This whole fraud and jobs for family/mates is going to cost the country for a long time yet isn't it.

david_270, Aug 20, 10:51pm
For Gerry to deny what was happening is a crock.
They played it this way, and are probably not even surprised to finally have the issue partly exposed. Its a numbers game, and they have saved a lot of money through inadequate assessments and repairs.
It should have been said loudly and clearly at the beginning that its up to homeowners to prove their loss, and to ensure that their house is properly reinstated as per their policy terms.
But it certainly wasn't the government that was going to say that.

bigrichie, Aug 20, 11:25pm
We are renting a house that was repaired while we were here. The landlord left us in charge as we had also had our home home red-zoned and had been through the ropes. The floor is out of level - Fletchers - we will lift and pack some piles - that will fix it. Which piles - oh any piles - four in the middle. Put that on the scope. Rightho - so how does that fix it actually? Oh it will. Hmmmm. So the day came and I reminded them after they had started doing the skim coating and crack fixing that they had some piles to lift and pack. Oh, really, rightho. English and Irish builders arrive - two lovely young men. They took a look, got under the house, looked outside, walked around, checked doors, looked again and confirmed what I believed - the house was on an angle slanting down at one end. So they rang their boss and said work should stop and that all the piles needed lifted and packed using a laser level. Excellent thought I. Not to be - boss arrived - nope - just do the job you are told. But, said the nice wee English chap - if we lift 4 piles in the middle it will make the problem worse. Just do the job said the boss. Sign off day - the Fletcher's man stood in the kitchen with the landlady, myself and the boss man, and we asked - what is going to be done about the house being out of level. Lying, (as we later found out) the boss man said, we applied for a variation and EQC turned it down. Sign here! Fletchers did NOTHING. The nice we Englishman and Irishman returned later to fix some of the roof tiles. I asked them - what do you recommend should be done about the piles? The nice wee Englishman looked uncomfortable and replied, sorry we are not allowed to say anything more. So, don't go blaming the immigrant builders. This property has since been audited and what did the EQC men say - oh the piles are just fine. No, the huge gap under the skirting board would have always been there, the bulge in the laundry floor - well, who knows, the increasingly squeaky floor, the recracking of all the gaps - oh that's just the house drying out. Really!

rusticdog, Aug 21, 2:14am
Spoke to EQC yesterday about this.
My understanding is the work carried out will be studied by their engineers based on the information they have, photos builders were required to take etc.
From that pool they'll identify ones needing to be inspected via critter camera and they'll start contacting people. I was told they'd get back to me in roughly 2 weeks.

david_270, Aug 21, 5:39am
Don't believe or trust anything said or done by EQC engineers.
It is officially ok for them to behave negligently or incompetently if their brief from EQC produces that outcome.
Robinson has already been exposed, and Tim Day was exposed in the Kelly case.

ronash, Aug 21, 11:11am
Have commissioned our own foundation reports and they show two houses repaired by Fletcher's have not been assessed or repaired correctly! One of them has a concrete ring foundation deemed irrepairable! This is a brick house that was reclad as part of Fletcher's repairs and the exterior foundation was entirely splashed with new render . big f**k up or cover up? :-( I have used the broken heart icon because my experience of dealing with EQC/EQR has broken my heart, faith, trust, and belief in a fair and decent New Zealand. A legacy of not just broken houses but broken people :-(

lambrat, Aug 21, 11:16am
i wonder what else the eqc scope group action case will turn up when it eventually gets to court.

ronash, Aug 21, 7:25pm
Bumping this thread

david_270, Aug 21, 9:26pm

rover79, Aug 21, 9:36pm
Robinson was already exposed way back, on here.
Great isn't it, the info was already there/here early on and the ones that could care, didn't care, because it wasn't their money, and its still not their money.

angrol, Aug 22, 9:39am
Considering the ongoing repair debacle has anyone disputed their excess/excesses?

cloffie, Aug 22, 10:02am
Robinson is still employed by EQC

mm12345, Aug 22, 11:49pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/71327853/building-industry-hits-back-at-claims-it-is-solely-to-blame-for-shoddy-quake-repairs

More news in The Press today. Nice photo of typical EQR directed notching of a bearer. That's going to be expensive to fix now (compared with the 15 minutes with a jack, sabre saw and chisel used by that craftsman).
So Gerry's set aside $500k to fix stuff like this. I can't see that being more than a drop in the ocean. Same with their bunged up crack repairs done on the cheap. Even when it could have been possible to fix those properly from the start, the stuffed-up half-arsed job that Gerry directed is going to make the "fix of the fix" very expensive. Epoxy doesn't stick to epoxy very well - there was really just one chance to do it right.

david_270, Aug 23, 12:31am
All this would make a classic "Yes Minister" series, if it wasn't so sad, & with so much collateral human damage.
The "Rebilled".

androoo, Aug 23, 2:20am
you can put your invoice on hold until the remediation team has visited and 'issues' with repairs are completed

oskybosky, Aug 25, 12:31am
Does anyone know if cracked concrete slabs fixed with resin are included in the review of foundation repairs? We had a hard time trying to find out whether this was ok or not. Our Fletchers LBP confirmed in an email that there was no need for consent for this work. I insisted that the repair was carried out by a reputable company, Concrete Connect and I am pleased I did. But it has always niggled away at me for some reason.

ronash, Aug 25, 3:33am
Today I am not so broken, I am determined and proactive! I have just sent off emails and foundation reports to EQC for two properties. I am buoyed by the recent media coverage and have remained factual and concise. Whilst I would like to believe things will be easily rectified, I am not that naive. I would suggest that if you have niggles follow your gut instinct. Do not wait for EQC to initiate contact! Both of our properties questionable and illegal foundation repairs were not in the group all ready identified.

corkranb, Aug 25, 4:30am
MBIE guidelines say that you can notch 20% of the bearer depth i.e 20mm over 100mm. These guidelines were enforced upon the builders and notching bearers was an acceptable repair strategy ticked off by both EQC and EQR.
If anyone is to blame it is MBIE and the Government for bringing in the guidelines.

gillian25, Aug 25, 10:21am
Bump this up. keep it in the News. We dont have any great investigative jounalists anymore.!

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