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puddleduck00, Jun 4, 4:28am
Let me just clear up a couple of things. It wasn't just "in the city" where the problem was. The marathon clogged up the routes around the outside of the city too. Fitzgerald Ave was actually closed to southbound traffic from Bealey Ave, forcing people to go through the city or to get jammed down London Street. There were no clearly marked detours. I myself got confused and stuck in traffic for a good 40 minutes. I just wanted to go around the city, not through it. It was an absolute nightmare and the only people to blame are the event organisers and the person who signed off the traffic management plan. The public are not at fault.

stojo, Jun 4, 6:16am
Sunday Drivers! funny thing is what do I get disrupted by the most everyday on my way to and from work? Cars! they hold me up & block my path. The marathon was not causing the congestion the cars were. Think about this. you aren't stuck in traffic you ARE TRAFFIC. Just think if you were to reduce car traffic by say 2/3rds it would have been much easier to move the traffic through the course of the marathon essential motor vehicles could easily be moved through to the hospital etc. It's not the event organizers letting us down it's these individuals who are so important they have to unnecessarily drive through town on a sunday on the one day of the year the great Christchurch marathon is on. 5000 people running & walking down moorhouse ave fantastic! Would like to see 5000 cars try and do the same thing

puddleduck00, Jun 4, 6:40am
Part of traffic management is managing the traffic that will be around during the event. Telling the road users they shouldn't be there because it's unnecessary isn't going to solve the problem.

I had nowhere urgent to be, I was just driving to my usual spot to go mountain biking. Does this make me a Sunday driver? I was very annoyed and confused at the lack of detours. I'm sure if you ask any of the other road users they would probably have a destination in mind and not just aimlessly driving around because it's Sunday.

Nobody wants the event stopped - the organisers just need to put in some clearly marked detours and plan it better!

jcmp21, Jun 4, 6:43am
I'm not sure how 5000 cars are going to walk down Moorhouse Ave, but anyway.

mbos, Jun 4, 6:49am
Well, yes, the thing is, the city belongs to everyone - it was not closed to traffic, and people do have their places they must go, or want to go. . . hopefully the organisers can get their sh*t together next year, if it continues, to a little more realistically and co-operatively accommodate that. It's up to them, after all, to make it work, they're the ones undertaking to do so.

After all, one of their own rules was "You must keep to the left side of the road and give way to traffic at all times, unless advised otherwise by marshals or Police."

They can't simply rely on everyone realising there's a marathon on and so they oughtn't go to Church, have their latte, go to work in the radiography department, break a leg, or have a baby on that day. . .

kids4ever, Jun 4, 7:13am
gosh , of all the threads on here, you are the only one that makes any sense, my thoughts too, hope all the moaners have a good read at your quote and pull their heads in, thankyou stojo :)

stojo, Jun 4, 7:59am
I just feel people too often become prisoners to their excessively large vehicles. I don't know your circumstances but why not try riding to your usual mountain bike spot? or try others closer by when big events are on in the city. The marathon isn't the only event that has caused problems recently with the cricket and sparks in the park etc. Remove some of the cars and buses will get there faster, a few people walking, using bikes or mopeds even better. Personally I believe electric bikes could be the future. Sure cars will be necessary for some but it would make getting around much easier especially when there are these fantastic events on in the city.

Letting 10 cars past the marathon course would be a lot easier than 30 rocking up together. The organizers of the event have already acknowledged they have a lot to take away from Sunday as I'm sure many of those not involved in the event will as well

mbos, Jun 4, 8:02am
Well, the organisers have to deal with the reality of the traffic to manage, rather than what they'd like to see happen, or what they think ought to happen. And PARTICULARLY when it comes to dealing with emergency vehicles, people in emergency situations, and critical personnel trying to get to work.

astrophe, Jun 5, 5:44am
Management and planning. Not participants and marshals.

puddleduck00, Jun 5, 6:08am
Simply because Christchurch is extremely dangerous for riding, hence why I'm a mountain biker and not a road cyclist. But that's another issue. Plus I cannot bring myself to wear lycra.

You simply cannot block all arterial roads without providing a suitable marked detour. It doesn't matter if whether anyone should or shouldn't 'be there. The fact is that life doesn't stop just because of a marathon (and nor should it). The organisers need to deal with *reality* not a fictional idea that people will somehow avoid main arterial routes through and around the city because somebody thinks they shouldn't be there.

graybeard, Jun 5, 6:18am
Spot on.

mrsv1, Jun 5, 6:24pm
or behind closed walls so the "amateurs" weren't in full view of the people who only like to watch the "elite" athletes! Runners got stopped doing the city to surf to let traffic through, as a runner i didn't see it as a problem, I don't know why they didn't do the same for the Marathon?

sustainable_sol, Jun 5, 7:54pm
Because unlike the city to surf, the Christchurch Marathon (an 1/2) are official events, properly timed, internationally recognized and actually doubled as the U20 1/2 marathon national champs. It would hardly be fair to those runners they got stopped to let cars through.

mrsv1, Jun 7, 6:40pm
Fair enough, I guess its hard to keep everyone happy. :)

tygertung, Aug 12, 9:15am
Perhaps you think that Christchurch is extremely dangerous to ride in because people like you are driving cars making the perception worse that it is dangerous to ride here due to all the car traffic. If people just rode to their biking spot there would be heaps less traffic and therefore safer.

If you are riding your bicycle on the road you don't have to wear lycra, you can wear whatever you want. The regulation states that you must wear a helmet, not that you must wear lycra.

puddleduck00, Aug 12, 10:03am
What a weak argument. MTBers should ride to their biking spots to make the roads less congested and safer? I guess the cars you see with bikes on the back make up a significant percentage of the traffic on the road. Oh wait.

It's not just the quantity of traffic on the road that makes cycling in Chch unsafe. With the lack of cycling infrastructure in Chch, I would impede traffic flow more than a vehicle in many spots. "People like me" can choose to drive because people like me pay for the roads.

My argument wasn't even about me anyway. It was about traffic management around large events. You cannot block main arterial routes without providing adequate detours.

sw20, Aug 13, 4:53am
Holy thread dredge.

tygertung, Aug 13, 5:59am
They're only blocked for cars, not for bicycles who can go anywhere that people on foot can go. The traffic jams, congestion and other road hazards are typically caused by single occupant vehicles such as cars and vans.

astrophe, Aug 13, 6:51am
I reckon!

tygertung, Aug 13, 7:28am
I can't see how going mountain biking is so much safer than riding on the street? I have been injured plenty of times in the 40 odd times I've been mountain biking but have never been injured in all the years I've been riding on the road and I do 15000+ kilometres a year on the street.

puddleduck00, Aug 13, 8:36am
I don't really know what your argument is to be honest. No offence or anything. Just not sure what we're discussing.

puddleduck00, Aug 13, 8:38am
Because falling off your bike on a dirt track that doesn't have cars, trucks and buses is safer than falling off your bike in traffic. Once again, now sure what we're debating. My debate was about lack of detours.

stojo, Aug 13, 11:37am
It has only been pointed out that when it is busy and there will be lots of traffic you should use a more effective means of transport so you can slip through with little disturbance i.e. Riding your bike

slimgym, Aug 13, 4:24pm
I noticed a bit in the paper the other day how much money the race brought into CHCH in that weekend, trying to make excuses for having it in CHCH city again, leave it at the airport. As someone else said while they are running they are not looking at the scenery. They still have to stay in motels and eat at restaurants

stojo, Aug 13, 7:23pm
I looked at the scenery heaps during. The preferred course for the runners is the city one

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